p2p Fake Files Initiative

Discussion in 'Indie Business' started by cliffski, Feb 18, 2006.

  1. cliffski

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    I'm not intent on re-igniting the old piracy-fighting debate here, This is just a quick bump to see if anyone else wants to join the initiative by some of us here to distribute fake full version files on p2p programs (mainly emule).
    The plan is simple, several of us host the same file (usually the games demo) renamed to be FullgameName.exe or whatever. Wih multiple hosts, it looks legit, and the people wanting a casual pirate copy get frustrated.
    A few of us are hosting each others files, if you want to join, just pm me.
    Some 'soon-to-be-dissapointed' pirate is downloading the democracy demo from me as I speak :D
    It's actually quite worrying seeing how many people go directly to emule to get their games.
    Please dont post saying its futile, we can see it working.
    Cheers :D
     
  2. mwtb

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    Presumably you are aware that your file will hit the fakelists after a few downloads and your ip addresses will hit the blacklists not long after? I mean, if you're getting a kick out of it, then by all means enjoy yourself, but you don't seriously think this tactic hasn't already been done by the big boys on a scale that you couldn't hope to match, hence there are already immune responses in the P2P community to fight it?
     
  3. cliffski

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    wow it didnt take long for someone to post exactly saying what i said dont bother posting. I guess thats indiegamer ;(
    People are downloading the files therefore it works.
    we have covered this, please, just accept that there are some people that disagree.
     
  4. Christian

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    Its a good idea to try i think, even if its for a short period of time.
    I think it is also a good idea to share many files of your game with different names... or even make a version that LOOKS like its the full version, but with many flaws... :confused:
     
  5. mwtb

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    I didn't post to state that it is futile, but even if I had, an expectation that you have the ability to persuade others not to speak in response to your scheme is, at best, naive. My post asked if you were aware of the issues with what you are attempting. The issues aren't something that I have to accept you agreeing or disagreeing with any more than I have to accept if you agree or disagree that objects fall under gravity.

    Again, if you're just enjoying seeing a few people downloading your files, then that's great for you, but I am curious how much you have thought this activity through or if you're just passing the time by shooting flies off dung-heaps.
     
  6. Savant

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    That's delusional at best.
     
  7. cliffski

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    what exactly do you think the people who are downloading the fake files think they are getting? you think they are doing this to annoy me? or you think they are trying to get a pirate copy. If the first 3 attempts at this fail, just maybe they will buy the game after all. In any case, I'm contributing to the idea that its not straightforward to get hacked games on p2p.

    I cannot see how people downloading warez copies and getting the demo instead can possibly do any harm. I also really fail to see why so many indiegamer posters get so annoyed that a few of us are doing this, even to the extent of complaining about it in a thread thats specifically worded to omit that topic.
     
  8. papillon

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    As long as it's actually a working demo I doubt anyone will get blacklisted for it, people will just assume you're an idiot and/or didn't fully test it and/or they need to get a crack to go along with this supposed full version. Only if you were sending up a clearly bogus file would people be likely to get really cranky.
     
  9. jankoM

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    Cliffski, stop questioning and thinking about this, you are wrong, you are waisting your time... we all know the truth.... accept it - the earth is flat.


    ((As I told you in PM... as soon as I get my serverish computer online in the new office eMule will sing again. About fakelists and blacklists... I downloaded whole Kinkg Kong movie five times now and all I have is five differen porno movies...))
     
  10. Fost

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    Just wanted to say that I think it's great to try all these things and I'll probably get in touch when I'm not so busy. We can debate all we like, but I admire people who actually try things rather than blowing hot air.

    I come at this from a different angle to most people: I believe is that we have a responsibilty to make the legal and fair route the easiest route for people to take. I completely disagree with the idea that piracy helps your exposure - I think that avenue is dead compared to the damage a 1 minute googling for a keygen before buying can do if that's easy.

    I don't hate pirates and want revenge on them, and even though I think that anti-piracy measures do work, I realise that's my opinion based on circumstantial evidence and not fact, and that I'm better off putting effort into a game rather than drm.

    So, it's just opinion, but I think it's best to make the legit route as easy and attractive as possible, and other avenues as hard as possible.
     
  11. Jim Buck

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    Is it a special build so that if someone buys the game from clicking the link inside your game, you can track how many copies were sold from these "fake" "full" versions? That would be very valuable data..
     
  12. cliffski

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    no, but thats a good idea. I've set up a webpage with links to the fake files now, so its easier for me to recruit new members. Its amazing how many people a day download a full copy (or so they hope).
     
  13. princec

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    Honourable intentions I'm sure cliff... but do us a favour and do some measurements before during and after and tell us if it makes any statistical difference to your bottom line eh?

    Cas :)
     
  14. jankoM

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    Speaking just for myself... I don't care if I sell any more games or not. It functions to me like ecology and such stuff. Will 1 animal/tree/.. live longer if I separate types of trash? Will a flower pop up in my lawn because I decided not to use artificial fertilisers? No. But I do it because I hope it has some global general good - Like - If everyone did this ... blablabla

    So to not repeat what has been allready said:
     
  15. Pyabo

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    How does eMule do as far as bandwidth usage? If I use Azureus (a bittorrent client), my normally-speed Net access slows to a crawl, even if Azureus is reporting only 20kB/s usage.

    Would it be possible to pollute a known pirate copy of a game? The whole point of bittorrent is that you're getting little pieces of the big picture from many sources... in the case of executable files, one bad piece could ruin the whole thing. Does it use some sort of CRC checking to make sure this doesn't happen? If not, this seems like a ideal way to combat piracy of music and commercial games.
     
  16. cliffski

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    they extensively use CRC checking to prevent people doing that. However, there is no way to know if a file is what it says until you download it, so dozens of people sharing a renamed file can fool the system. Basically you need lots of people to host the same file.
    The more the merrier. PM me if you wish to join.
     
  17. Bachus

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    Except that all the decent trackers allow comments for torrents. A bad torrent will quickly be found out.

    And Bittorrent is replacing all the other programs like emule. One of the major reasons being that you don't get a ton of bad files like what you want to do.

    If someone downloads a game three times because the first two downloads were bad files they have *no* intention to *ever* pay for the game.
     
  18. cliffski

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    This has been discussed before, this thread was not for that. In fact it's now been moved to the private forum to avoid exactly this.
     
  19. digriz

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    Oh man, and i wanted to keep track of this thread too.

    I was interested to know if p2p could be a viable distribution channel for trial versions of games.
     
  20. arcadetown

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    Perhaps you did a typo "King Dong"? Bah the fakes were probably better than the real movie anyhow.
     

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