Seems there's people that search for programmers, artists, composers, sound engineer to work for them without give any guarantee to earn real money. The passion is the main requirement to make good games BUT if you are SPENDING much of YOUR time and pushing yourself in your work this time in which purpose you trust much more? ^-^ If you do things just for passion, you can't pretend to have a professional work because for this people must push themselves. Push yourself means work hard, and when you work hard also when you not feel you expect an economic return, or I am in wrong? How do you feel to see your work discarded, refused? How do you feel to have still an empty pocket? Yes, I'm talking like this because (as programmer) I've worked like a slave for a single project and after this my earns are 0.00$. I can't tell him my anger because he is magically gone away. I've also met people that think is natural to work for free, others that don't have any idea on how promote their products. I know that after this nice outburst I've reduced my chances to find a good work, but I prefer to be honest with who write me for hire Thanks for your time.