Artist required for logo

Discussion in 'Help Wanted (PAID ONLY)' started by dan369, Oct 25, 2010.

  1. dan369

    dan369 New Member

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    Hi,
    I require an artist to do a quick and easy job for me. I have a logo design sorted out but i need it to be cleared up, outlined and coloured in a paint program.
    I am not very good at this, so hence why i'm asking.

    I'm willing to pay £5 for this job. As it shouldn't take more than a hour or so for this to be completed.
    Also note that the artist will have complete creative freedom on the colour scheme, though i'd like to ask for atleast two different schemes to be done.
    This way, i can chose what i feel is the best.
    Payment will be made via paypal.

    Here is the sketch:
    [​IMG]
     
  2. dannthr

    dannthr New Member

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    In my country, that's minimum wage.


    Good luck! ;)
     
  3. dan369

    dan369 New Member

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    :p. So the US minimum wage is $7.86?

    Oh forgot to add in my contact details. I guess either post up on the forums or email me:
    danielrandell@hotmail.com
     
  4. tristaph

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    How large should the finished file be? I might be willing to do it for £10.

    - Tony
    tristaph@gmail.com
     
  5. Reactor

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    Dan369, most artists will charge between $25 and $50(USD) an hour. And, two designs with complete colouring will likely total more than an hour. Even with that in mind, typical logo design prices usually start around the $150 mark.

    Just an FYI there, in case you're surprised when no one gets in contact to do it ;)

    EDIT:

    That's a scary thing to ask. Logos should be vector, so size shouldn't matter.
     
  6. lennard

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    This is indiegamer.com where people talk about the business of making indie. games. Here's what titles around here make:

    http://www.gameproducer.net/category/sales-statistics/

    that's all the programming, design, artwork, sound effects, testing and music. You can't pay $150 per logo and last long in the indie world. Just sayin'.
     
  7. papillon

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    You can't charge $5 per logo and last at all in the art world.

    Seriously, for that price you'll get a logo looking exactly like the one you just drew.

    If you have very little money and just want someone to draw something, you could probably find someone on deviantart who'd do *A* logo design for $50, but you'd also get a pile of flamemail from people giving you an earful about how far under standard price it is.

    If you want to be given multiple options and allowed to pick between them? You have to think $100+ minimum.

    Think that's too much? Learn to use a very simple art program and make a slapdash job yourself. Image, font, coloring, boom. It won't look like what a proper logo artist could make, but it's better than nothing. :) Similarly, you can find various webpages that have free logo generators. They don't look great. But they're free.
     
  8. Reactor

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    Lennard didn't draw the original logo, but yes, true that.

    Per logo? How many logos do you want? Also, I don't understand why you're directly relating average game sales to the price an artist charges. Do people working in low-paying jobs go to neurosurgeons and demand $5 operations? Imagine if they did and the neurosurgeon said, "I'll do it for $10." It doesn't take a genius to realise that'd be the last operation they'd ever have.

    Good artists (like neurosurgeons) have worked long hours to be good at what they do. If you want to leverage their 10 or so years of training and experience for a particular job, you pay what they ask. They might choose to be nice and bend their requests to suit your situation, but it's not their problem if you've chosen a difficult profession.

    And, I should add that if you look to people who'll do things for $5-$10, you won't last long in the indie world. Just sayin'.
     
  9. Applewood

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    In mine, it's below minimum wage.
     
  10. Nutter2000

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    You could try Fiverr?

    You might pick up someone half-decent looking to add to their portfolio for cheap
     
  11. electronicStar

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    If he spends 30 minutes more on his drawing, with a good paint program, he could probably make the logo himself no?
     
  12. Jasmine

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    What about drawing your own logo? That way nobody has to feel out of pocket.

    You may not be an artist, so it may take you longer than one hour and not be perfect, but it is only an abstract logo and not like painting the Mona Lisa.

    You also have the advantage of knowing more or less what you want your logo to look like. :)
     
  13. nsmadsen

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    Completely wrong. Indie games CAN and DO pay more than what you're referencing here. It just depends on the clients, the projects and the freelancers. I'm not an artist but since this thread has basically been derailed into a discussion about rates I felt I needed to chime in. Also this is a company logo that will, hopefully, represent the company for a LONG time. It will be the company's branding. $150 for a company logo is fairly cheap. Also many of the references you're using to validate your stance are from 2008 or before. This is 2010. Besides if you read some of the entries the developers are talking about using some of the cheapest solutions out there (such as licensing royalty free music). I could create a game for very cheap if I used only existing, royalty free, non-customized assets but this isn't what the OP is asking for. He's asking for a custom, unique logo to his specs to represent his company. Plus I doubt he'd be okay with the artist re-using or reselling this logo to others. This is apples to oranges.

    I have, on multiple occasions, been paid a decent (but still VERY affordable) rate for just my music on indiegamer.com. I'm not getting rich but it also doesn't mean I should work for peanuts... especially when I have good credentials, pro gear and produce good work. Can you find someone with cheaper rates? Sure! But remember the ol' saying: you get what you paid for. In many cases that applies to freelancers and services as well.
     
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  14. flavio

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    The actual logo of the University "La Sapienza" had cost 186'000€ (257'760$). Ok, it's only a curiosity; if you want I could connect you to the company which made it. :)
     
  15. dan369

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    Wow didn't expect this many replies to be honest.
    I was only looking for some up and coming beginner sprite artist, nothing at all pro. I'd agree that for more professional styled art, yeah i'd defiantly have to pay $100+.
    Maybe i should have been more clear on that. Or maybe your standards are just a lot higher than mine. Or maybe i'm just out there trying to find a bargain?

    But i do in fact have someone now. Who looks like being exactly what i'm looking for.

    But one last thing, what's with all the "just sayin'"? American thing?
     
  16. dannthr

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    A logo is a highly important asset for your company. Branding may be considered one of THE most important assets in promoting your company to ANY external market.

    People need to remember your logo as it becomes an icon that will not only represent your business and the products you make, but it will be one of the easiest and most recognizable elements in promoting your company--at least it should.

    My favorite logo/branding is that of Sun Microsystems:
    [​IMG]

    It's a recognizable design that actually says SUN inside it, from any angle you look at, you will see the word SUN. It is itself a microsystem of the word SUN.

    Good branding is clever and memorable and it takes far longer than an hour to knock out.

    But, the OP has already "designed" his logo, he just needs someone to clean it up.


    Yesterday, before I replied, I sent this thread to an artist friend of mine, in jest, he created some "FREE" logo designs based off your drawing, something fast that didn't take too long. He told me to tell you that you are welcome to use them if you like, but I hesitated to post them.

    Here they are for your viewing pleasure, hosted on my photobucket.

    My friend prefers to remain anonymous:
    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/Dannthr/logorsl.png

    And a color varient, so you can choose between them:
    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/Dannthr/logorsli.png
     
  17. dannthr

    dannthr New Member

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    OH yes, I forgot.

    US Minimum Wage is $7.25/hour, but the US is also a federation of smaller countries called States, so in many states, the minimum wage is raised appropriate to the cost of living (or at least that's the idea).

    Minimum Wage in California is $8/hr.

    Not that you can live many places in California on $8/hr.
     
  18. lennard

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    Y'know, I should know better than to try because I know the result... Nonetheless. 2008 was a much better year for me than 2009 & 2010, that applies to lots of folks and companies. Stick to your guns if you want - I know I do if somebody calls me up to do some programming. But there is a serious and unrecognized disconnect here between what most indie titles earn and what most creatives on this board think they should be paid without taking on any risk in the endeavour.

    I'm not saying people should create logos for $5 unless they want to. But people should be able to post a real job with a stated fee and not expect to get a lecture every time they do so.

    Now, here's the challenge for you NS. Pick something of mine for me to put at stake if you want - I would like you to be incentivized to do this. A free game from me, some free advertising on my website, pick something reasonable. What I want from you is a back of napkin spreadsheet for what it would cost to bring a salable indie. title to market that you will post here on this board for discussion. It has the potential to be a heated discussion... but I think it's a discussion that we should all be having in the interests of seeing more projects getting made.
     
  19. luggage

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    Not even sure why this thread is developing like this. He wants to pay £5, if you're not interested in taking the job on why post to criticise? And why take the piss by doing some silly art to prove some kind of point?
     
  20. dannthr

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    Actually, Lennard, you bring up a really GREAT point I think without even realizing it completely.

    This board is FULL of talented people across so many disciplines.

    We can all help eachother out, and no it doesn't always have to be with money, but it can be with the valuable services we can provide for one another.

    For example, my website was coded by me, but the design and logo branding was created by a friend of mine, in exchange I have provided him with music composition and production services.

    There ARE many of us here who have something to offer to other people that is not money but IS valuable.



    Asking for something for too little money is often far more insulting than asking for something for free because the person (and this is not always the case but is often the case) who is offering too little money believes it is fair pay and has set a quantifiable value on the quality of these kinds of services.

    It's frustrating when people come to a forum and outright say: "This is what your time is worth and what the services you provide me are worth in real-world terms."

    It has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with whether or not dan369's business is going to flourish and be successful and EVERYTHING to do with his perceived value of others.

    When you start a business, you know the risks involved.


    As a contractor, I can tell you that when I write music, I don't always know how long it's going to take, that's my risk. My range of developing, writing, producing a minute of music can require anywhere between 6 and 20+ hours of time on my part.

    What that means is I charge expecting a middle of the road, average time, some people might deduce an hourly wage that can seem more reasonable from my estimation, one that seems fair and in-line with what a specialist would make, but when put in terms of minutes of music it can seem outrageous.

    The contractor's triangle holds true for any specialist:

    [​IMG]
     

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